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Steve
www.mycampusguide.com
So, no, the entire "song" was not ripped off. If you're going to be accurate, be accurate.
Frankly, it's not impossible for those six notes to have been repeated by someone else.
It's really only a few notes.
Can you telkl me what kind of media player that is you're using here? Thanks Bro.
-Omar
Nonetheless, what is the name of the album that the song is from? It sounds great!
My guess is that a guy from the album worked on the audio for super mario.
as for all this nonsense about common chords and whatnot, sure, most chords and chord progressions are pretty common. that said, if youre going to PUBLISH, the onus lies with you to make sure you arent recreating something else published earlier. whether ripped off or not, it amounts to a bit of sloppiness.
and THAT said, nintendo is -- as far as im concerned -- THE videogame industry. their stuff rules.
however, the chances that this was random replication are far more slim than you people make them out to be. its easy to say the chords are common, but realistically, there is almost zero chance that two published items -- independently of each other -- would replicate the exact musical process. and forget that nonsense about nintendo's being "modulated" and "going in a different direction." a remake is a remake is a remake, no matter whats changed.
but thats just my opinion, and opinions are like assholes.
yours stinks.
Please ignore this crap. It is all lies. You sir, are a liar. I think this could be considered slander. Why would you slander Nintendo like that?
Now if that was the entire song, it'd be a different story. Still cool though :)
You want outright theivery, listen to this:
http://www.bdmonkeys.net/m/BDM-Blood_Sausage-03...
Example: Garth Brooks settled out of court with Kenny Loggins over a simple cord progression. That was not nearly as note for note accurate.
I am a Nintendo fan.
But this is theft.... and where can I get MP3s of that... (cause I'm a Nintendo fan! and I love it LOL)
You can download the flash audio player used on this site from the following address: http://www.mightyseek.com/podpress/
Hope that helps :-)
lol. the beginning IS the mario song. it specifically says, "I’ve cut together “Underworld theme” followed by “The Real Thing”. Give a listen for yourself."
gg
Here is a Japanese copy of the Friendship album on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/FRIENDSHIP-s-t-JAPAN-LP-w-O...
There is definetly a better chance that this was stolen then it being a coincidence. Too many things match up too perfectly.
For all of you that are saying it's four notes, it's six notes..just for the record.
Being a classically trained musician, I can tell you that yes, it would be easy for anyone who picks up a guitar or sits down at a piano to play the notes "C-C-A-A-Bb-Bb" in succession. They might even like it a lot and make note of it. However, in both recordings, they seperate the notes starting with a lower octave and then proceeding to one higher, thus making the chance of coincidence much less probable.
And then you throw the rhythm into the mix. The rhythm is identical to both. Exactly. One measure In 6/4 time: six eighth notes, three beats of nothing, then repeat. 6/4 time isn't used very commonly, at all. And let me tell you, I've only heard this rhythm combination in one place: mario underground. I guess this makes it two places now.
But the real clincher for me, which I noticed immedietely, (and as jordan stated above) is that they are both in the same key. They both had twelve keys to choose from. They both used C-minor. Enough said there.
Even though I beleive that Koji Kondo used this, I would not look down at him for this, at all. He took this awesome riff, and explanded it to make it much more interesting, and suitable for the undergroundish feel. He made it his own, essencially.
Again, really great find!
http://www.amazon.com/Friendship-Captains-Journ...
There are only so many different ways to combine notes into melodies, folks. Now think of the number of songs that have been written in Western music since the invention of the phonograph. Coincidences are bound to emerge.
For this reason, the burden of proof lies on the claimant. The two melodies might sound similar, but that's not enough evidence to accuse anyone of anything.
http://www.mp3.com/albums/20013006/summary.html
http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/grusin-01.m3u
CD info is here
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/grusin
lovin it
Second off, I get the feeling some people aren't comparing the right parts of the pieces. If you listen to the cut, the first part that sounds all video-gamey and midi-fied (the part BEFORE the drum cuts in), that's the part from the actual game.
Now I have to admit that there are some striking similarities:
1) The riff uses the same notes in the same key.
2) Rhythmically, they sit near to identically.
But seriously guys, that's not all there is to it. If you listen to it, the rhythmic situation of the riff shifts in the last part of the Friendship tune - at the exact same time as it modulates. The surrounding melodic structure is supported by it, but not in the same way as it is in the mario tune when it enters the more complex part.
I would cecede to it being a tribute, but in no way a rip off. Frankly, I've heard this riff used in plenty of funk tunes and imitated in jazz that taps that spectrum.
In short, good ear, but keep your pants on. :)
Well there might *be* some technical differences between the two songs, but honestly folks.... to most people, the songs sound absolutely the same
There is a slim chance that both composers thought of the same tune -- in science, sometimes the same discovery was made independently by two different people. However, the likelyhood of this tune being a rip-off is pretty high. The claimed composer of the Mario Theme, Koji Kondo, is a jazz fan, so he propably knew this record.
Nintendos chances of getting away with this were very high in pre-internet times.
Furthermore, Chris that is just childish. Maybe you don't like Jazz, or maybe you are just a fool, but titles aren't all things can be cracked up to be.
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Thanks Darth. Actually - I fucking LOVE chris's comment, it's my #2 favorite.
where is 경원 univ? i'm korean. but i don't know. ..... You don't say 듣보잡?
아무리 그래도 배경음을 독창성없이-_-;
아주 꽤 실망......
Why didn't friendship hear this before?
I mean who doesn't know that theme.......?
1) Same tempo.
2) Exact same notes relative to each other.
3) Transposition is exactly 1 and 2 octaves (ie. not even transposed by some amount of semitones!).
4) Exactly 6/8 rests between repetitions.
5) Song is introduced by these notes in both cases.
6) Notes are alone and are used as bass.
I think it's a stretch to suggest that this is a total coincidence.
But I still think the development of the Mario song (as little of it as there is) is enough for us to consider it as a song that stands on its own. I just wonder what other 1970s songs "coincidentally" sound like other Koji Kondo themes...
anywho.......
This is groundbreaking journalism at its best!!! war? what war? I like the idea of my nodes of ranvier and synapses are firing away at the likes of attempting to solve this one hell of a mystery. Not that it will go any further than a brief moment of anger at the audacity of Nintendo stealing from a Funk band.
I'm a fan of music myself and for people to say that this is a coincidence is shitty because I've never heard anyone else "steal" this. I SHAKE MY FIST ANGRILY!!!!
They're in the same key... but that key is C, which is quite probably the most commonly used key in any musical genre. Secondly, that sort of octave-jumping bass line (along with the tempo) is VERY characteristic of disco music of the late 70s / early 80s. Heck, the same lick can be heard in 1981's "The Great Muppet Caper" when the band is playing on the bus (and I think that may also be in the key of C, if memory serves me well). Songs that are created within the same rough time period are bound to contain similarities, simply due to the collective sense of style at the time.
Could Koji Kondo have heard the Friendship album at some point? Perhaps. But even if he was inspired by it, I doubt he meant such a short lick to be some kind of "tribute" to a little-known jazz album. And considering the amount of completely original music he came up with and the high work ethic he's shown over the years, I find it laughable that he would stoop to intentionally "ripping" from someone else's work.
I will definately be hunting down a copy of that.
ZELDA
The good musicians emulate
The great musicians steal
The best musicians get away with it.
To be honest, he could've easily (Koji) heard this guy somewhere randomly, thought it was a great tune, and the riff might of got stuck in his head when he prepared the work. I hear a lot of music everyday and can sometimes catch myself taking stuff from other people. I go see so many bands and listen to so much music that I wouldn't be surprised if I stole a decent portion of a riff from someone else. But its only been recent that people have noticed that musicians have been doing this for a millenia now. Goddamn Musicologists!
Nice find mate.
SH
a caring gamer: noodles
fresh stuff though, im a vinyl junkie and mario enthusiast so thats pretty awesome. i'll watch for that name .
have you ever came across this record?
http://www.videogamemm.com/v/Mario/Miscellaneou...
http://plaza.ufl.edu/bjornwad/jhat/ff7zep.mp3
no puedo escucharlo. me dice: error al abrir el archivo. puede ayudarme alguien? que puedo hacer?
They are on to you.
Thanks